Online archive of over 350 issues of this weekly suffragette and later left-wing communist newspaper founded by Sylvia Pankhurst, first appearing as the Woman's Dreadnought in March 1914 and then as the Workers' Dreadnought in July 1917.
Among other major historical events, the Dreadnought captured the outbreak of revolution in Russia and briefly supported the Bolsheviks/Russian Communist Party before the anti-working-class nature of the latter became more apparent to Pankhurst. Over time, the paper then took a more critical stance towards Lenin and the so-called "workers' state" in Russia, as evidenced by Pankhurst's open letter to Lenin published in November 1922.
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Just so everyone knows, the…
Just so everyone knows, the LWU's strike against Steve is more or less over, so an admin can remove all the above comments if they want; they don't really have much to do with the Dreadnought.
Can we put that to a vote?…
Should not the introduction to these journals above distinguish between proletarian revolution (strikes, demonstrations, desertion, mutiny, sabotage, free association...) and the seizure of political power under the guise of social-democracy? To ignore this distinction is akin to conflating the spontaneous uprisings of the working class with the bourgeois Peace Treaties that conclude these battles between the classes. Is it fair to apply Lenin's derogatory term, "Left-Wing" Communist, at all? The newspaper proclaimed itself for "International Socialism". Let's take it at its words.
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Weekly suffragette and later newspaper of "International Socialism" founded by Sylvia Pankhurst, first appearing as the Woman's Dreadnought in March 1914 and then as the Workers' Dreadnought in July 1917. Amongst other major historical events covered, the Dreadnought captured and supported the seizure of state power by the majority ("bolshevik") faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (renamed by itself as the All-Russian Communist Party after the seizure of power) before the anti-working-class nature of the regime became apparent to some observers. Over time, the paper then took a limited critical stance towards Lenin and the so-called "workers' state" in Russia, as evidenced by the open letters of Herman Gorter and Sylvia Pankhurst to Lenin published in 1921 and 1922, respectively.
Stop editing the page…
Stop editing the page westartfromhere... Nobody knows what you're talking about. I mean really, can we not get some admin attention here??
What's not to understand?…
What's not to understand?
Weekly suffragette and later newspaper of "International Socialism" founded by Sylvia Pankhurst, first appearing as the Woman's Dreadnought in March 1914 and then as the Workers' Dreadnought in July 1917. Amongst other major historical events covered, the Dreadnought captured and supported the seizure of state power by the majority ("bolshevik") faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (renamed by itself as the All-Russian Communist Party after the seizure of power) before the anti-working-class nature of the regime became apparent to some observers. Over time, the paper then took a limited critical stance towards Lenin and the so-called "workers' state" in Russia, as evidenced by the open letters of Herman Gorter and Sylvia Pankhurst to Lenin published in 1921 and 1922, respectively.
Well first you've littered…
Well first you've littered this site with your strange and offensive posts (e.g. calling the people who did the redesign for this site bourgeois essentially) and are now going around editing other people's articles without conferring with them. And second your reason for editing the above intro, after I've repeatedly told you not to, makes absolutely no sense. The term "left-wing communist" is an entirely appropriate choice of words to describe Pankhurst, seeing as how she favored worker councils (similar to other left-wing/council communists of the time) and opposed the party rule of the so-called "workers' state" in Russia.
The question posed was, What…
The question posed was, What is not understandable about the draft of the introduction below?
Weekly suffragette and later newspaper of "International Socialism" founded by Sylvia Pankhurst, first appearing as the Woman's Dreadnought in March 1914 and then as the Workers' Dreadnought in July 1917. Amongst other major historical events covered, the Dreadnought captured and supported the seizure of state power by the majority ("bolshevik") faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (renamed by itself as the All-Russian Communist Party after the seizure of power) before the anti-working-class nature of the regime became apparent to some observers. Over time, the paper then took a limited critical stance towards Lenin and the so-called "workers' state" in Russia, as evidenced by the open letters of Herman Gorter and Sylvia Pankhurst to Lenin published in 1921 and 1922, respectively.
Why would I change "left…
Why would I change "left-wing communist" to "newspaper of International Socialism"? You make absolutely no sense.
adri wrote: Why would I…
You wouldn't. Others may, however, prefer to use the journal's own self-description, rather than its detractor's — Lenin's — description of ' "Left-wing" Communism'.
Perhaps you would like to answer why you wish to omit a reference to Herman Gorter's open letter to Lenin that predated Pankhurst's? Again, why you wish to omit mention of the seizure of state power by 'the majority ("bolshevik") faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party'?
And, once again, what in the following paragraph makes absolutely no sense to you?
Weekly suffragette and later newspaper of "International Socialism" founded by Sylvia Pankhurst, first appearing as the Woman's Dreadnought in March 1914 and then as the Workers' Dreadnought in July 1917. Amongst other major historical events covered, the Dreadnought captured and supported the seizure of state power by the majority ("bolshevik") faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (renamed by itself as the All-Russian Communist Party after the seizure of power) before the anti-working-class nature of the regime became apparent to some observers. Over time, the paper then took a limited critical stance towards Lenin and the so-called "workers' state" in Russia, as evidenced by the open letters of Herman Gorter and Sylvia Pankhurst to Lenin published in 1921 and 1922, respectively.
westartfromhere wrote: You…
There's nothing inherently disparaging about the term "left-wing/left" communist. In fact Pankhurst approvingly used the term herself and reprinted tons of writings by various groups and people who employed the label (e.g. Herman Gorter, the Group of Revolutionary Left-Wing Communists of Russia, German left-communists, and others):
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I'm not "omitting" anything; there's just no point in mentioning Gorter's open letter when Pankhurst's open letter sufficiently illustrates the point I was making. Why on earth would I also write the more verbose "the majority ('bolshevik') faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party (renamed by itself as the All-Russian Communist Party after the seizure of power)" instead of just the "Bolsheviks/Russian Communist Party"??
I am also in the faction…
I am also in the faction which feels it's better if introductions can be brief and to the point.
Yes agreed with Fozzie. The…
Yes agreed with Fozzie. The introduction is fine. Lots of people use the term left communist or left wing communist to refer to themselves. Adding obscure nitpicking to introductions just makes them unintelligible even to people who might use this site regularly, let alone people just trying to learn about Pankhurst without a lot of backgroun.
If all here are happy to…
If all here are happy to exclude mention of "the seizure of state power by the majority ("bolshevik") faction of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party"—and Dreadnought's reaction—in the intro, leave it so.
There were so many different political parties in the period subsequent to that seizure of power but by the time that reaction had finished its bloody work there remained only one, the All-Russian Communist Party.
'In February 1922, the…
'In February 1922, the Dreadnought group established the Communist Workers' Party'. (Wikipedia.)
The last scan above is from 11 March 1922. The scanned material from it gives no hint of a new party.
The paper went on until June 1924 (Wikipedia).
The above scans exclude this explicitly left-communist period of the paper.
Work on this archive is…
Work on this archive is ongoing, with a new issue being added virtually every day. Today's was March 1921. If someone wants to start adding more of the 1922 issues, then so much the better.
'In February 1922, the…
The paper does extend to June 1924, but it will take a while to upload all of the approximately 308 issues. The reason the numbers jump around a bit is also because I was prioritizing certain content, such as the issues that contain Pankhurst's series of articles collectively entitled "Communism and Its Tactics." There is also reference to the Communist Workers' Party in various issues, which was the party Pankhurst set up after being expelled from the Soviet-aligned Communist Party of Great Britain in September 1921, essentially for criticizing the CPGB and refusing to hand over editorial control of the Dreadnought. Pankhurst, for example, listed the objectives and methods of the British CWP in the Vol. 8 No. 48 (11 February 1922) issue of the Dreadnought. See here:
(It's also worth pointing out that the Fourth International referred to in the article is the KAPD one, not the Trotskyist one, which didn't even exist yet.)
Fozzie wrote: If someone…
I can start chipping in again, and it's definitely worth creating separate articles for stuff like the British Communist Workers' Party.
adri wrote: Fozzie wrote:…
That would be great if you have the time/inclination adri - I am not precious about doing it at all :-) [edit, at least I don't think I am - it will be fun to find out...]
That would be great if you…
Yeah, right. I saw you eyeballing my Voice of Industry. You better stop taking over other people's archives, if you know what's good for you. (Kidding!—I don't actually care either; anyone can contribute to anything, though it would be nice if people coordinated with one another.)
Heh :-)
Heh :-)
Fozzie wrote: I am not…
Fozzie when I fail to use the PDF tag in my Dreadnought submissions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz-8CSa9xj8
So why are the outline…
So why are the outline weights on some of the issues different? Shouldn't they all be 0 so that the issues get organized according to their title names? I submitted Vol. 8 No. 48, but it seems to appear in the middle of the issues list instead of at the end, which I'm guessing is because of the different outline weights. Should we go through and set them all to 0?
Thanks for doing that. I’ve…
Thanks for doing that. I’ve been using the weight 2. Can’t remember why, but it must be because I had the same issue and it fixed it.
Another thing would be to use the same weight number as the Volume of the edition maybe.
Can’t remember why, but it…
It could have possibly been because there were no leading 0's in some of the titles (e.g. "No. 1" instead of "No. 01"). I added the leading 0's, so it might be worth setting all the weights to 0 to see if that fixes it.
Yes that is probably it adri…
Yes that is probably it adri. There are about 150 issues in the archive now, so I'd say changing the weighting on them all individually might be a too much aggro. And it all makes sense as it is. If it's something you feel strongly about please go for it though!
I'll do it later. It's…
I'll do it later. It's definitely easier to just add leading 0's to the titles and have it automatically sort, at least for the remaining issues.
Not necessarily very legible…
Not necessarily very legible issues of Workers Dreadnought (all?) up to 1924 (mis-labeled as Woman's Dreadnought after the name had changed), here:
https://archive.org/details/pub_workers-dreadnought
And here, though you have to sign up for it (and eventually pay for?), which I did not do:
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/titles/womans-dreadnought
Thanks ZJW, that is good to…
Thanks ZJW, that is good to know!
Might have to also start…
Might have to also start adding the 0 to the volume number too since the volumes go into the double digits. I'm still in the process of renaming all of the ones that have already been uploaded.
Huh... why did the weights…
Huh... why did the weights get automatically re-added on issues that nobody edited?
Not sure, but II think it’s…
Not sure, but II think it’s the new “child order” function. See top of page. I was using that to add lone articles to the issues they came from. Didn’t expect it to do that!
Strange glitch. I don't…
Strange glitch. I don't actually see a "child order" function, which could just be my permissions. I think new issues are going to be out of order now though, because I just added an issue from vol 10 and it's all the way at the top.
Oh, I guess you're talking…
Oh, I guess you're talking about the "add child page" button
Do we want to start using…
Do we want to start using weights I guess? Apparently the auto-sorting with a 0 weight doesn't work so well with child pages
Ah ok I can see “child order…
Ah ok I can see “child order” at the top of the page. Hmm. I think we need input from someone who knows more.
I can get your latest issue in the right place though. (Edit - I have now done that, but there may be a delay in it actioning).
westartfromhere wrote: …
By "Nobody" in the latter quote, readers must read adri as no others have expressed the misunderstanding of the former quote by ourselves, and there is nothing to be read in the former that could possibly be misunderstood. Disagree, perhaps, but not misunderstand. This faculty of misunderstanding would appear to be the sole preserve of our co contributor to these pages.
It should be noted that the revised introduction submitted by westartfromhere transpired to include no allusion to the "proletarian revolution (strikes, demonstrations, desertion, mutiny, sabotage, free association...)" that occurred worldwide in the years 1917-1923. This omission was entirely deliberate, as to make any connection between our spontaneous uprising and the machinations of social-democracy is to conflate opposites.
To fail to make a clear demarcation—as evidenced by the bourgeois titles, English, French, American, Russian, Ethiopian... Revolution—between proletarian revolution and the seizure of state power is to conflate two opposing forces: anti-political and the political, respectively.
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By "Nobody" in the latter…
Nobody still knoweth what the hell thou art talking about, wherefore thee ref'r to yourself in the third p'rson, wherefore thee speak of yourself as if 't be true thee representeth the entire w'rking class, etc. What the hell art thee smoking?
I can give guidance on…
I can give guidance on weights if needed, I'm just not sure if there is a specific question?
But basically, child pages of articles are sorted first by weight, then alphabetically.
So generally the simplest way of trying to sort anything is just making sure the titles go in alphabetical order, then you don't need weight.
Otherwise, if this cannot work for some reason (e.g. a title containing the number 10 starts going under 1 instead of under 9, then you can start adding weights, to ensure 10 goes under 9 and so on).
Sorry if you know this already, not trying to be patronising, just thought I would try to give some general guidance!
Yeah that's what we were…
Yeah that's what we were doing, but then we added a child page (an article) to one of the issues and all of the weights got automatically modified without anyone having actually edited them. I had gone through and added 0 weights to all of the issues, but now they've all changed...
adri wrote: Yeah that's what…
That shouldn't happen, although if someone goes into a page whereby you can shift different pages around manually, then the system will add weights to the pages in order to make the new order stick, if you see what I mean.
But adding a child page in itself shouldn't change the weight of anything. I'll go doublecheck that on another article somewhere…
That's weird. I just tried…
That's weird. I just tried both here and in another "book" making child pages, and it didn't change the weights of any pages.
Just tried making the weight of 4.19 zero, and that seems to have stuck. But don't know how all of the others could change.
Unless someone went into the admin panel to move some around manually.
If this problem occurs again we can have a deep dive into it
Hi Steven - the specific…
Hi Steven - the specific issue occurred when I used the "child order" page to add some orphan articles to the issue they were printed in. That seems to have re-weighted everything.
I had to use the child order page to do this because "book outline" only shows the very first few characters of a book or article. So you can't see issue numbers using that.
Okay great thanks for…
Okay great thanks for explaining. Have sent you a private message with info about alternative methods!
So do we want to continue…
So do we want to continue using 0 weights and auto-sorting, and if so is there a way for admins to bulk modify all of the weights to 0? I can manually go through again and change all the weights back to 0, but it would be nice if there were an easier way
Something that might…
Something that might simplify it would be having each volume as a child page, then sorting each issue within that. Would you be okay with that? Then at least if something went wrong at some point again, it wouldn't affect every page and would be simpler to fix.
Sounds good, it would also…
Sounds good, it would also make it where you don't have to scroll as much. I'll start editing stuff later
adri wrote: Sounds good, it…
Great, sounds like a plan
adri wrote: By "Nobody" in…
We smoked a cigar, a couple of weeks ago. It cost us about £8.75. Quite pleasurable.
One member of the working class is indivisible from the whole.
Your omission, adri, of the seizure of state power by the Majority of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party, in your introduction to this page above, appears to be a misunderstanding on your part.
Just FYI Fozzie, some of the…
Just FYI Fozzie, some of the LSE issues are missing pages. The Vol. 9 No. 30 issue on the LSE site is missing pages 6 and 7, but the Internet Archive version has all the pages.
Thanks Adri - good to know…
Thanks Adri - good to know. We are getting there!
I believe that this is now a…
I believe that this is now a complete* archive of the Dreadnought thanks to Adri? Great work!
(*possibly some issues are missing the odd page).
Have just made this the…
Have just made this the front page article on the site, as that is really something to celebrate, great work kids!
Oh yeah, didn't even notice…
Oh yeah, didn't even notice. Nice one! I'll see about going through and transcribing some of the more interesting content, along with modifying some of the intros and stuff.