http://www.tgwu.org.uk/Templates/RegionNews.asp?Action=Display&NodeID=92704
A long-running dispute over cuts to the refuse collection service in the London Borough of Haringey boiled over into indefinite strike action today.
Workers rejected an offer of £1,450 each to accept taking two refuse collection vehicles off the road. The Transport and General Workers Union confirmed this morning that no refuse collection vehicles had gone out as a result of the forty eight Haringey Accord workers' strike over safety.
Picket at Ashley Road depot.
Very rare to see a group of workers taking indefinite strike action nowadays -- and they voted unanimously for it, too.
the button wrote:Picket at
the button
Shit that is rare. Hackney went on one or two 24-hr strikes a few months ago, don't know the result...
Will the pickets just be in the mornings?
No idea. There's contact
No idea. There's contact details at the bottom though. Might be worth speaking to the press officer for libcom newswire purposes.
Picket here
Picket here
time for class struggle
time for class struggle anarchists in london to express their politics beyond the internet, no?
coffeemachine wrote:time for
coffeemachine
Could happen. :wink:
careful now
careful now
ftony wrote: careful
ftony
You bastard! I've been looking for that picture since the dawn of the internet. :cry:
i just google-imaged
:grin:
i just google-imaged 'father ted down with this sort of thing'
Jack wrote:coffeemachine
Jack
you're a worker, you can't support other workers in struggle? Solidarity is just a word to share across bulletin boards?
For those interested profits for accord plc were up from £5m (in 2003) to £6.1m in 2004 (don't seem to have 2005 figures).
Jack wrote:I'm splitting
Jack
We can't split threads any more. If "coffeemachine" (why don't you use your real name, by the way? you aren't fooling anyone) continues to derail it with petty strawman snipes they will be deleted. Forum software being the way it is at the moment this is how we are going to have to deal with off-topic trolling.
coffeemachine wrote:you're a
coffeemachine
The first post may have been a bit snide, but I think this one asks a reasonable question -- although maybe more one for Thought than Organise.
Unless this is someone you two had a row with in 2002, or something. :wink:
Edited to add: And as I recall, threads about the nature & extent of solidarity always turn into 15-page slanging matches. :grin:
agreed important issue.
agreed important issue. Doubtless people will be putting their experiences and resources to good use supporting the strike.
What is the conflict about
What is the conflict about here? Surely Jack doesn't feel he can't go down to the picket line cos he's not a dustmen?
Hi I am interested in
Hi
I am interested in ensuring a win...
Excellent. What is it they would like instead?
Love
LR
Hi Is it cheaper to take
Hi
Is it cheaper to take two vehicles off the road than to pay everyone £1450? Why is the employer making this proposal?
Love
LR
i was working this morning,
i was working this morning, but i shall indeavour to visit the picketline tomorrow morning and get a report from the workers
post what questions you'd like me to ask them here
:rb:
i might ask them what their
i might ask them what their position on no borders is
:rb:
Today is bin day, last time
Today is bin day, last time they missed a collection my neighbours covered their entire driveway with rubbish and so did all the flats.
I might try to get along to the picket though.
Jack wrote: Seriously tho,
Jack
i'll do what i can, post it on here then one of you can put it on the news section or whatever it is you do
didn't get to this picket.
didn't get to this picket. But all the cleaners and porters down at my local hospital were on strike today as well - went in to accident and emergency with a fucking big lump of crap in my eye almost unable to see, and then on the way out saw a picket of about 30 people on either side of the entrance and had a nice chat with them. Been out since Friday, full turn out, no-one crossing (well, no cleaners and porters who are members of Unison and employed by Rentokil crossing anyway), everyone on the picket for their shift from 6am to 6pm every day, back again tomorrow.
Trying to get close to a 20% pay raise (from c.£5 - c.£6/hour plus extra £54 london weighting - that might be wrong - I'm typing with one eye shut and leaflet they gave me looked a bit blurry when I read it) in line with every other London hospital. They don't think they'll get any of it but were pretty upbeat anyway.
Hi I see Haringey Accord
Hi
I see Haringey Accord are daft enough to put the email addresses of their senior staff on their web site...
http://www.haringeyaccord.com/stub.asp?SectionID=25
If would terrible if they started spamming people with porn, or even to be accidently signed up to something nasty by a nefarious so-and-so. I can't imagine who would try such a thing.
Enjoy.
Love
LR
Lazy Riser wrote:If would
Lazy Riser
It would also be terrible if anyone with a dial-up connection put one of their phone numbers in as their ISP provider, set their 'puter to check their e-mails every 20 minutes, and then went to bed. Imagine -- coming to work to 200 voice mail messages of handshake noise. Poor bosses. :sad:
hehe very nice folks i'm
hehe very nice folks :cool:
i'm going down as official dude from london IWW on friday morning. i'll be at tottenham hale tube at 9am if anyone fancies it.
you don't have to be a member of the IWW to come with me, but if you value your kneecaps i'd recommend it :bb: :wink:
Quote:Is it cheaper to take
in the long term, it probably makes sense, if you think of road tax, maintenance, fuel, etc.
ftony wrote:Quote:Is it
ftony
Wouldn't the vehicles be shorthand for "workers"?
good point, didn't think of
good point, didn't think of that
Steven= :kropotkin:
PS people aren't making enough use of the smilies at the bottom of the list. shame on you :wall:
ftony wrote:people aren't
ftony
talk to the :hand: ftony, talk to the :hand:
:mrt:
John. wrote:Wouldn't the
Steven.
No, AFAIK I didn't go to the picket :oops:, what they want is to reduce the amount of vehicles and increase the amount of hours worked by the men. You can also put extra men onto a truck and then increase the speed they are supposed to work at. No one will get fired immediately, but I'd imagine in a year or so they'll probably try to cut the workforce and increase the hours again if they get away with this.
Quote:all the cleaners and
hey, libcom, what hospital is that?
Whipps Cross I think, you
Whipps Cross I think, you can get a W15/97 there from Walthamstow Central iirc.
Yeah Whipps Cross. The 56
Yeah Whipps Cross. The 56 from Angel/Dalston Central/Clapton Roundabout goes there as well plus a few other buses. Should be there until 6pm today afaik, not sure what their plan is after that - the woman mentioned Thursday about getting a decision so it might not be on tomorrow necessarily. Not at home, but there's a phone number on the leaflet for the Unison branch so could pm anyone who wants to check before they go down there. Today it's definitely happening.
jef costello wrote:John.
jef costello
Yeah that was what I was thinking. Possibly they could just cut the workforce by non-replacement of those who leave.
i went down there yesterday
i went down there yesterday morning to say howdy.
there were a fair few of them and they were all pretty sound (although one had a copy of socialist wanker :wall:)
anyway, apparently it's going to be a good few weeks before anything happens, because their general manager is refusing to negotiate at all. apparently he was demoted from the central office because he was shit, and is now trying to prove himself worthy of being reinstated by standiing up to the unions. what a prick.
this is his email address: dougtaylor@haringeyaccord.com
go for it spambots, go for it!!!
and it looks like they're
and it looks like they're getting scabs out to do the rounds for them: http://www.haringeyaccord.com/easyview.asp?recid=%20261
Nice one ftony. We may well
Nice one ftony. We may well have news up and runnung here in the next few days so if you fancy writing something up for that that'd be great.
Any news from your end coffeemachine?
aye went down too to put my
aye went down too to put my two penneth worth in. There was only one guy there who seemed to be packing up for the day, but the mood he felt was 'quite solid'.
Interesting set up.
Hi If this strike puts
Hi
If this strike puts Haringey Accord out of business would that be a “good thing”? Or does anyone think that it can’t happen?
Love
LR
Lazy Riser wrote: Hi If
Lazy Riser
I find it unlikely that it will.
Haringey will continue to pay them and they won't be paying strikers so I think it might actually increase their profits. They'll probably charge the council extra to clear up what has built up. (It won't be in bins any more, so it'll be classed as fly tipping)
Hi Quote: Haringey will
Hi
You'd have thought the local tax payers would have something to say about that. I think that’s worth verifying, Jef.
In which case, the strikers are doomed, unless all they wanted was some unpaid leave.
Love
LR
Yeah I would've thought the
Yeah I would've thought the council would have clauses in the contracts making payment subject to the work actually being done. Very unlikely they'll be getting paid now.
John. wrote: Yeah I
Steven.
I'm sure they do but these things tend not to be enforced particularly well.
I doubt they'd have stopped getting paid immeidately, unlike the strikers.
Hi Quote: I'm sure they do
Hi
Purchasing officers are working class too. Perhaps they might be “especially diligent” this month in solidarity with their blue collar comrades. This is the terrain of contemporary class conflict that we must master.
Love
LR
jef costello wrote: Lazy
jef costello
i sort of agree with jef here. but i think the economic strength of haringey accord is that they have their fingers in a lot of pies, so they have more stable income elsewhere.
Accord have drafted in
Accord have drafted in temporary agency workers in an attempt to break the strike. This monday (14 August) will be the first time they'll going out on the roads, the Haringey binmen have asked for as many people as possible to go down this monday morning to support the strike and to try and persuade the agency workers not to take the dustcarts out.
Be good if people made the effort.
Picket outside the main gates - 8.30am
Ashley Road depot
Ashley Road
N17 9AZ
(nearest tube: Tottenham Hale)
If people can't make it in the morning there's a general assembly at 6pm the same evening to update, if people want to go down and get involved.
Background info:
http://www.tgwu.org.uk/Templates/News.asp?NodeID=92705&int1stParentNodeID=42438&int2ndParentNodeID=42438&Action=Display
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/5257136.stm
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/content/haringey/tottenhamjournal/news/story.aspx?brand=TWGJOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=newstwgj&itemid=WeED10%20Aug%202006%2013%3A10%3A42%3A293
http://www.haringeyaccord.com/easyview.asp?recid=%20262
balls i can't make it. but
balls i can't make it.
but i'll send it round lists
Hmmm I gotta get to work but
Hmmm I gotta get to work but I can get in a bit later than usual tomorrow so I might be able to make this.
Just to clarify Coffeemachine where and how did the workers request people to go? (Cos I've been to a picket before where some politicos said there was a callout but none of the workers seemed to know about it...)
came from steve fletcher,
came from steve fletcher, senior shop steward, when i met up with him on friday afternoon after he'd be negotiating with management all day. He's happy for anyone and everyone to come down. The others, to be fair, didn't seem that concerned (not convinced by empty promises perhaps) although they were happy enough to have people down on the picketline when i was there.
The picket actually starts at 6.30 if people are keen. I suggested 8.30 as a reasonable time for visiting support. Up to you when you go.
HSG have also forwarded
HSG have also forwarded about the picket on monday. It'll be good to have people there but it'll be key to have people there at 6 in case some kind of blockade can be organised against the scabs.
Haringey Council have distributed a leaflet saying that Accord have a contract and they have to, and wil, honour it.
this morning the binmen
this morning the binmen voted (28 to 16) to go back to work, accepting the management's amended offer of taking just one dustcart off the road & paying an extended 'clear up' payment.
Don't know the fine details, a victory of sorts i suppose.
I know you don't like copy
I know you don't like copy and pastes but I thought you guys would like to see this:
Outcome of Haringey Refuse Collection Workers Strike Against Cuts
Report, 14th August 2006
On Monday 14th August, Haringey's domestic refuse collection workers voted 26-18 to return to work after 2 weeks solidly out on strike against cuts in the service, and over the related health and safety issues. The close decision came as a result of negotiations with management during a picket of the Ashley Rd Council depot (Tottenham Hale N17) in which the workers were backed by around 20 supporters.
The workers, all members of the Transport and General Workers Union, agreed to accept a substantial climbdown by Accord who had originally wanted to unilaterally cut 2 trucks from the domestic collection fleet. The workers had refused Accord's original offer of £1,450 each to 'compensate' for the cuts. Accord - after seeing the long and solid strike, the determination of the strikers, the effective daily picketing at the depot and the general public support for the workers - offered a 'compromise' deal in which one of the waste collection trucks would be cut instead - with the decision on whether it will be from the trade or domestic fleet still to be negotiated. On that basis the workers agreed to return to work immediately to start clearing the backlog of uncollected waste around Haringey. The workers will continue to monitor the situation through their own strike committee .
Many of the workers at the picket were very pleased about the public support they received * - they said they felt this had strengthened their hand. They wanted to pass on their thanks. Some clearly felt that, despite their loss of wages, they could have achieved more by staying out longer - especially as similar issues apply across the whole waste collection service. It should be noted that Accord have also made cuts recently to the street sweeping and cleansing fleet which the workers in that section have been unhappy about but had not so far felt able to take action over.
The Council has been pressurising Accord to make 'efficiency savings' each year, including 6% this year. They had supported Accord's proposed cuts, and had urged the staff to take the financial 'compensation' offered. What in fact is really needed is improvements to the borough's waste collection service. However, in considering 'savings', Accord apparently hadn't considered cutting its ever-growing number of management posts or its profits (£53m in 2005 according to the Haringey Advertiser).
Like with other public services, the pressure for cuts is likely to continue unless adequate resources are provided by central government - it is up to residents in general and public sector staff in particular, to demand the resources that Haringey residents need.
* On Friday 11th August about 25 people - residents and trades unionists - had taken part in a protest at the Civic Centre. The aim was to show opposition to the proposed cuts and support for the workforce, despite the short term inconvenience to the public. Many participants brought bags of uncollected rubbish from home and dumped them on the steps in front of the building. Placards had included: 'Improvements Not Cuts', 'Support the Refuse Workers - striking for health and safety', 'Accord Is Rubbish', 'Accord Shareholders Rake In The Profits - Health & Safety In The Bin'.
Report by Dave Morris, Secretary of the Haringey Federation of Residents Associations