Just some info about the ongoing legal case being brought by eight women against the Metropolitan Police and the Association of Chief Police Officers.
I thought I'd post the link to the site for the support group for women's legal action against British undercover police. There are probably already references on Libcom about this case but I though it would be useful to post the link to the site so that people can keep up to date with the case.
From the Police Spies Out of Lives website:
We are supporting the legal action by eight women deceived into long term intimate relationships with undercover police officers who were infiltrating environmental and social justice campaign groups.
Recent news about the case:
It is well worth reading the
It is well worth reading the transcript of the oral evidence presented to the home affairs parliamentary committee, presented by three of the women affected by the placement of undercover policemen in long term relationships.
The performance of those giving evidence is extremely focused, all the more impressive given the upsetting and highly personal nature of the accounts.
Particularly well dealt with is the issue of institutionalised sexism in the police force, not only at the level of the agents, but also the commanding officers permitting or instructing the formation of the relationships by the agents, all of whom were already married.
They also maintain their
They also maintain their integrity particularly well in response to questions on 'violence'.
"Have any of you ever supported the use of violence in a political cause?"
Thanks for the link
Thanks for the link leomarinus.
You are right about the women's integrity. Their bravery is also remarkable.
It may not be long before vindictive stories are circulated in the media.
We can only hope that the women in this case get the maximum amount of support and practical back-up from anarchists.
Soon there will be news on
Soon there will be news on the situation for the women involved in this legal battle:
"UPDATE: The hearing previously scheduled for 20 or 21 November has now been postponed. We will send out a new date as son as we hear."
"After a year-long battle against one secret court, the women face new obstructions and obstacles from the police, and a fresh fight against secrecy."
Police Spies Out of Lives
Update on the Police Spies
Update on the Police Spies Out of Lives website:
"Whistleblower (an ex-cop) and Channel 4 threatened by police"
"Senior Police are trying to force Channel 4 to hand over documents and unseen footage arising from their interviews with Peter Francis, a former undercover officer who turned whistleblower."
"Peter Francis featured in a Dispatches documentary The Police’s Dirty Secret, broadcast in June 2013. The documentary included his meeting with Helen Steel and Belinda Harvey, two of the claimants in this case, where they discussed the activities of the [police] unit and the use of undercover relationships."
"During the programme he also made shocking revelations about police spying on the family of murdered teenager Stephen Lawrence."
"Francis has offered to assist the women in their claim against the police and has already provided a statement to help them in challenging the police’s so-called “Neither Confirm Nor Deny” (NCND) policy. The police threat to use the Official Secrets Act and failure to offer protection to whistleblowers raises serious concerns that the police are seeking to undermine this case and prevent the whole truth from emerging."
The Police Spies Out of Lives
The Police Spies Out of Lives has another update:
This wider issue of police cover-ups is very relevant to the eight women who are fighting this case, as they face a major court hearing this spring
UPDATE! From the Police Spies
From the Police Spies Out of Lives website:
Joint statement: No faith in Herne; call for full public inquiry
A new update on the Police
A new update on the Police Spies Out of Lives website.
There is now a set of dates for the next stage in this case.
The next hearing will start on ONE of the following dates: March 18, 19 or 20.
Advance Notice: Hearing scheduled for mid-March 2014.
For further information please check the Police Spies Out of Lives for ways of supporting the women who are engaged in this legal battle against the Metropolitan Police and the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO):
Regular updates also on: Police Spies Out of Lives: Facebook
The support group have
The support group have produced a PDF version of a leaflet that can be downloaded and printed out:
Just posting an update:
Just posting an update:
The support group are
The support group are encouraging solidarity actions in mid-March. They are thinking of a picket outside Royal Courts of Justice on Wednesday 19th March, 9am-10am but this date has not been confirmed yet.
Here is a PDF leaflet that can be circulated via any networks that come to mind:
UPDATE: Quote: London –
Spanner Films on Fri
Spanner Films on Fri 07/03/2014 10:59
Quote: PRESS RELEASE:
March 18: PRESS STATEMENT:
March 18: PRESS STATEMENT: "Women condemn ongoing police obstructions to legal case"
"Today’s hearing has closed after a long debate in court over who will have to disclose what information when. The women have just issued this statement via their solicitor, Harriet Wistrich."
A few photos and low resolution video clips of the solidarity picket at the court today.
PRESS RELEASE: Court Hearing
PRESS RELEASE: Court Hearing 5-6th June, London.
"Court to hear issues against Met police over SDS deployments, as women issue legal challenge to NCND."
* Women’s legal action over undercover relationships
* Court hearing 5-6 June 2014, Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, London"
"On Thursday 5 June and Friday 6 June 2014, the main issues in a case against the Metropolitan Police over undercover relationships will be laid out for the first time in open court. The High Court will hear an application to require the Metropolitan police to drop their “neither confirm nor deny” (NCND) stance. NCND has been one of many delaying tactics used by the Met to maintain secrecy over the legal action against them, despite the very serious allegations that have been made by the Claimants."
"Eight women are bringing common law claims of assault, deceit, negligence and misfeasance in public office; this hearing concerns five of the women. The officers’ deployments were part of the Special Demonstration Squad (SDS), which was infiltrating environmental and social justice campaign groups. Several officers entered into long-term relationships, causing lasting disruption and psychological damage."
"Despite widespread public outcry over what appears to be a systematic pattern of abuse, the Metropolitan Police have not entered a defence against the claims, instead resorting to a series of delaying tactics and bids for secrecy, including their so-called Neither Confirm Nor Deny “policy” (NCND). The Met police withdrew their application to strike out the Claimants’ claims last March after the Home Secretary announced a public inquiry."
"Harriet Wistrich, solicitor for the eight women said: “This will be the first hearing in open court when the main issues will be set out in the case against the Metropolitan police over the deployments of SDS officers. We will be providing detailed evidence of what the Claimants have discovered and what is already now known about the four undercover officers in the case which undermines the MPS’ reliance on NCND. NCND appears to be a smokescreen to cover up the extent of wrong-doing, and should not be permitted.”
Sack Bob Lambert Picket
Sack Bob Lambert
Picket London Metropolitan University
This Friday 28th November
12.00 – 2.00pm
Outside London Metropolitan University Tower, 166-220 Holloway Road, London N7 8DB
Islington Against Police Spies demands that London Metropolitan University sack lecturer Bob Lambert - Police spy, agent provocateur, exploiter of women.
- See more at:
Just posting this as an
Just posting this as an update not because I agree with what he's written.
Guardian journo Nick Cohen has written an article for Comment is Free in The Observer.
"When you are in a radical movement, it’s wise to assume that the person arguing for the most extreme action is an agent provocateur."
"Why must we tolerate police spies in our midst?"
Nick Cohen wrote: "When you
Nick Cohen wrote: "When you are in a radical movement, it’s wise to assume that the person arguing for the most extreme action is an agent provocateur."
When you're in a radical movement it's wise to exercise your critical faculties. The person advocating "the most extreme action" (which is a loaded way of putting it) could've been Marx, or could be an advanced thinker today and product of the revolutionary proletariat.
Apologies for the posting of
Apologies for the posting of links to various articles in the The Guardian, The Telegraph etc.
I suppose this thread is really just a place for updates on the issues and news surrounding the fight by eight women against the Metropolitan Police and The Association of Chief Police Officers. Anyway here's a couple more articles that may be of interest:
University under pressure to sack controversial former undercover spy Bob Lambert
Police stole identities of dead children as old as 17
Another up-date. This picket
This picket is part of the ongoing campaign to get Bob Lambert sacked. Lambert is the ex Special Branch cop who was part of the Special Demonstration Squad and now works as a college lecturer at London Metropolitan
Here's the info about the picket:
Here's a link to a very short
Here's a link to a very short clip (couple of minutes) from a BBC London News item on 20th January:
"Ex-Met Police spy Bob Lambert 'should be sacked' as lecturer"
Out of interest, has the UCU
Out of interest, has the UCU branch at his university been approached or had owt to say on it?
‘Alison’ one of the eight
‘Alison’ one of the eight women that sued the Met police writes a critique of the BBC series 'Undercover'.
Also some other news from
Also some other news from about a week ago.
(sorry for the long quotes)
Cop Investigated for firebombing.
"Former Special Demonstration Squad officer – and later unit chief – Bob Lambert is to be investigated by police over allegations he firebombed a department store."
"Stealing the identity of a dead child called Bob Robinson, Lambert went undercover to infiltrate animal rights groups in the mid-1980s. In 1986 he co-wrote the McLibel leaflet that triggered the longest trial in English history, though his involvement was kept secret from court throughout."
"The following year Lambert was part of a small, secret group of animal rights activists who planted incendiary devices in branches of fur-selling department store Debenhams. They were set to ignite during the night, triggering the sprinkler system and dousing the stock – it was designed to be economic sabotage rather than an attack on people."
rat wrote: Also some other
Don't be sorry this is very interesting and important stuff, and I'm glad your keeping us informed here.
What makes my blood run cold,
What makes my blood run cold, is the thought that there probably have been many other cases of undercover police conning women into relationships which haven't been exposed yet.
Analysis from Helen Steel on
Analysis from Helen Steel on the “Neither Confirm Nor Deny” policy of the police:
"Clear, comprehensive and authoritative, her speech ended with a round of applause from the court."
The Pitchford inquiry into
The Pitchford inquiry into Undercover Policing has published some document on an aspect of the investigation.
This text below has just been put out by the Police Spies Out Of Lives organisation. There seems to be disappointment but the report still has to be analysed to work out what the implications are.
Police Spies Out Of Lives:
"Pitchford's ruling on secrecy around the Public Inquiry into Undercover Policing has been published. It is lengthy, and complex, although they have published the over view below."
"Pitchford says that the presumption is that the Inquiry should be held in public, but leaves it wide open for many requests for secrecy to be entered. He plans to respond to each request about secrecy (a request for a 'restriction order') individually and rejects the police's request for blanket use of their policy of 'neither confirm nor deny'.
However, there is dismay that the ruling does not include releasing the cover-names of officers, and that Pitchford does not accept that the inquiry has a duty to disclose to the public where someone’s privacy has been breached by undercover policing."
The legal teams, and core participants in the Inquiry will be digesting the ruling over the next couple of days, so expect more reaction coming soon."
Helen Steel was on Victoria
Helen Steel was on Victoria Derbyshire this morning, she was great! I think people can see it on iPlayer via bbc.co.uk/victoria
rat, thanks very much for these updates here. Although I was thinking it would be really good if there were an article which kind of brought together everything which was publicly known so far about these cases, ideally with some comments from those personally affected.
What would you think of writing something up for our news section? We would really appreciate it
Steven. wrote: Helen Steel
Helen Steel's from 01:22 fwiw
Racist Emails of LA Police
Racist Emails of LA Police Official Revealed
Thanks for the suggestion
Thanks for the suggestion about writing an article Steven. I have to admit to not being so good at writing articles, but I'm looking into getting someone else to produce one for publication on Libcom.
So I'll get back to you soon about that.
Here's a link to the Victoria Derbyshire interview that you pointed out.
This is just the 8 minute clip edited from the whole programme with Helen Steel talking about the current situation.
Just a note to say that we're
Just a note to say that we're trying to get an article together about this.
rat wrote: Just a note to say
An email update from the
An email update from the Police Spies campaign about further developments with the Cardiff Anarchist Network. They're asking for support for a solidarity picket outside the Royal Courts of Justice at 11am Tues 7th June.
After the success of our main case, where the women won an apology from the Met Police, and the Police withdrew their defence, we are now supporting other people who have been affected by the relationships with undercover police, through legal action against the Police, and through the Public Inquiry into Undercover Policing. These include the following people from the Cardiff Anarchist Network, we are hoping you will support at their demo outside their court hearing on Tuesday 7th June."
"Solidarity Picket with people affected by relationships with undercover police
11am Tues 7th June, Royal Courts of Justice"
"Following the infiltration of Cardiff Anarchist Network by an Undercover Police Officer calling himself "Marco Jacobs" a number of activists are taking legal action against South Wales Police and the Metropolitan Police in an attempt to hold the system to account."
"Since they first filed an application in court, both sets of Police lawyers have attempted to obstruct justice, giving a “Neither Confirm Nor Deny” defence of all aspects of Officer Jacobs deployment."
"At 12noon on Tuesday 7th June there will be a Case Management Hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice.
Join us in a Solidarity picket of the court before the hearing starts.
Can't make the picket?
Share our social media messages, or make your own to show your support (see below how to find us)"
Police Spies Out of Lives Team
Steven. wrote: What would you
An article has been written by battlescarred now, so I'll post it in the news section soon. I'm just going to look around for a suitable image to go with the article.
Great stuff cheers
Great stuff cheers
I've posted the article up in
I've posted the article up in 'News'. I'd appreciate tips about which Tags to use or if any typos are spotted.
There have been many updates
There have been many updates on this case and I wish that I'd been posting info on here more regularly. Please check the https://policespiesoutoflives.org.uk/ for recent info.
Also, there has been a slightly odd twist, shall we say, here's a link to a recent tweet by the Police Spies Out of Lives site:
There is the ongoing campaign
There is the ongoing campaign against one of the SDS cops, Andy Coles, now some Tory counciler.
Check the Wordpress blog dedicated to this campaing here:
Also, here's the Twitter account:
There are some interesting
There are some interesting updates happening at the moment:
October 13th, 2020.
The Undercover Policing
The Undercover Policing Inquiry starts today (Monday 2nd November).
Follow Police Spies Out of Lives for updates on the situation: https://twitter.com/out_of_lives
Here's a BBC report outlining the case:
What is the Undercover Policing Inquiry?
Live streaming of opening
Live streaming of opening statements in the Spy Cops Inquiry.
Starts at 10 am.
New podcast “Bed of Lies” on
New podcast “Bed of Lies” on Spycops from the Daily Telegraph with a lot of the women interviewed. First ep today:
(Apple link but I assume is available in the usual places)
Live stream now starts at
Live stream now starts at 10:15
Link for today's live
Link for today's live streaming of opening statements:
The live stream of the
The live stream of the inquiry is not allowed today.
But here's a Twitter account that will be updating info about the case today:
A small sectarian note: I was
A small sectarian note: I was kind of curious as to how the SWP would be covering this story, since it simultaneously kind of makes them look important in that so many cops were deployed to monitor IS/SWP, and also sort of makes them look bad in that they apparently couldn't spot any of them. I couldn't find anything on the front page, looking around a bit I found an undercover police tag, which has four short articles, none particularly focused on the IS/SWP infiltrators, from the past month, and then the fifth and sixth most recent are from 2019 and 2018 respectively. I guess it seems like embarassment at being so easily infiltrated must have outweighed the opportunity to make themselves seem big and important?
Discussion about it on this
Discussion about it on this week's Final Straw: https://thefinalstrawradio.noblogs.org/post/2020/11/29/uncovering-spy-cops-in-the-uk/
Nice one. Thanks for the
Nice one. Thanks for the link. I'll listen to that later.
Fozzie wrote: New podcast
The podcast is up to 6 episodes now.
Police Spies Out of
Police Spies Out of Lives:
"Join us at 9 pm tonight (Dec 29th) for our Christmas Twitter listening party. Bring snacks, and a desire to fight state corruption."
Anarchist Communist Group
Anarchist Communist Group article:
The Spycops Scandal: The State and Mass Organised Misogyny: