Rank the nuttiest US left sects

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Jul 4 2015 14:36
Rank the nuttiest US left sects

I think we can all agree RCP takes the cake, right? After that, I'm not sure. WSP? I always hear weird rumors that their leader is some reclusive millionaire who refuses to be photographed.

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Jul 4 2015 14:38

Actually, I meant the Socialist Equality Party, not WSP. Was getting their name confused with their website.

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Jul 4 2015 14:54

It's not just RCP, Maoists in general are super wacky.

Leading Light Communist Organization argues that when we have global communism, everyone will make the equivalent of $9000 a year. They got that figure by just taking the world GDP and dividing it by 8 billion.

Rural People's Party models itself after Jim Jones and the People's Temple. Seriously.

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Jul 4 2015 15:27

Oooh, those are good ones. Never even heard of them.

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Jul 4 2015 18:33

How can you leave out the Sparticists, or the US affiliates, if any, of ICC, ICG, ICT, IP, IMG, or Solidarity, Socialist Alliance, Socialist Action...?

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Jul 4 2015 18:57

I don't really know any of the others...but is Solidarity that nuts? From what I know of them they're just a non-sectarian socialist group with a strong Trotskyist streak.

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Jul 4 2015 19:33

well the WWP sent election observers to Syria a few years ago, to make sure the imperialist pig-dogs did not interfere with Assad's free elections

edit: thanks to fnordie's good eyes

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Jul 4 2015 19:29

you mean WWP

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Jul 4 2015 20:34

libcom.org?

No.1

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Jul 4 2015 20:37

Ray O. Light and Progressive Labor?

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Jul 4 2015 20:39

this group does not exist anymore: Youth for Stalin – Stalinist Workers Group for Afro-American National Liberation and a New Communist International

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Jul 4 2015 20:51
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Progressive Labor?

One time when I was 14 I went to a PLP May Day thing. They sang songs like "you can't smash the bosses without passing the hat" while collecting money, it was hilarious

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Jul 5 2015 04:26

I mean, the Sparts take it obviously, but I always thought Worker's World was a good one, too.

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Jul 5 2015 05:42

That's the only M-L party with a major presence in my area. In my experience a large percentage of them are newly-recruited working class people with only a vague understanding of the party line. They do love North Korea and any other nominally socialist state...a WWP member was the only person I've ever heard refer to China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, and North Korea as "the five that survived"

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Jul 5 2015 07:23
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China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, and North Korea as "the five that survived"

not so much different from the Sparts who "defend" them ("militarily, not politically") as "deformed workers' states"

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Jul 5 2015 14:31
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("militarily, not politically")

Haha I wish they'd form an armed wing. Geriatric RAF.

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Jul 5 2015 15:45
Fnordie wrote:
...a WWP member was the only person I've ever heard refer to China, Vietnam, Laos, Cuba, and North Korea as "the five that survived"

Survive??? We're working on stopping that!

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Jul 5 2015 17:00
jahbread wrote:
libcom.org?

No.1

5 down votes? Christ, there's some po-faced fuckers round here.

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Jul 5 2015 17:00

DP

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Fnordie wrote:
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("militarily, not politically")

Haha I wish they'd form an armed wing. Geriatric RAF.

the only violent attacks carried out by Sparts of which I do know were directed against former members who joined the IBT (they're also in a way nutty but generally really nice people)

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Rural People's Party models itself after Jim Jones and the People's Temple. Seriously.

are they real?

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Jul 6 2015 10:15

definitely also the Communist Party, United States of America (Provisional)/National Labor Federation

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Jul 6 2015 14:13
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are they real?

It's not a joke, but it might be like 2 people

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the only violent attacks carried out by Sparts of which I do know were directed against former members who joined the IBT (they're also in a way nutty but generally really nice people)

Uh...I assume you don't mean International Brotherhood of Teamsters?

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Jul 6 2015 14:16

Deep Green Resistance (DGR)

"For a Better World" (FABW) communist organization and newsletter
http://leftspot.com/blog/?q=taxonomy/term/109/9

Home of the "Free Saddam Hussein" campaign.
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/03/282632.shtml

Honorable Mention: "The Spark" self-loathing Trots who really hate Petty Bourgeoisie Trots who aren't in the industrial proletariat. As near as I can figure, they were a split from the Sparticist League. As far as I know, this rare leftist organization can only be spotted in Baltimore.

http://the-spark.net/founding.html

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Jul 6 2015 14:17
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Uh...I assume you don't mean International Brotherhood of Teamsters?

International Bolshevik Tendency
http://www.bolshevik.org/

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Honorable Mention: "The Spark" self-loathing Trots who really hate Petty Bourgeoisie Trots who aren't in the industrial proletariat. As near as I can figure, they were a split from the Sparticist League. As far as I know, this rare leftist organization can only be spotted in Baltimore.

http://the-spark.net/founding.html

Spark is about as old as the Sparts. They are aligned internationally with one of the largest Trotskyist international tendancies Internationalist Communist Union, usually called Lutte Ouvrière after the French section, their largest. in 2002 their candidate got 5% of the vote for President of France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutte_Ouvri%C3%A8re

I've run across them in Chicago El stations and in Oakland, so not just Baltimore. Their focus is building support in workplaces and also against personality cults. Can't be that bad...

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Jul 6 2015 15:16
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The Spark

I've never seen evidence that the Spark is anyone else besides that one old guy who goes to the PPA demos. He likes to show off how up-to-date he is by bragging they were the only left party with a presence in Bethlehem Steel (which can't possibly be true, right?)

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Jul 6 2015 15:22

The Spark is generally focused on building cells in big plants of the car industry, their strongholds were the closed GM plant in Baltimore and some car factories in/around Detroit

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Jul 6 2015 20:27
Fnordie wrote:
Entdinglichung wrote:
are they real?

It's not a joke, but it might be like 2 people

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the only violent attacks carried out by Sparts of which I do know were directed against former members who joined the IBT (they're also in a way nutty but generally really nice people)

Uh...I assume you don't mean International Brotherhood of Teamsters?

the Sparts would never attack "the Workers", unless you count paper sales and stalls as an attack in the class

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Flint wrote:
Fnordie wrote:
Uh...I assume you don't mean International Brotherhood of Teamsters?

International Bolshevik Tendency
http://www.bolshevik.org/

they did ambushed and beat up a former member in Hamburg despite that guy being quite old and frail

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their strongholds were the closed GM plant in Baltimore and some car factories in/around Detroit

All the over-60 lefties I know reminisce about the back-to-the-factories movement. Were all the grouplets like that, with a different industry as their focus? Old CPUSA guys tell stories about fighting it out with the John Birch Society in shipyards in the 1970s.