Rank the nuttiest US left sects

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Jul 6 2015 21:37
Fnordie wrote:
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("militarily, not politically")

Haha I wish they'd form an armed wing. Geriatric RAF.

They did offer to send an international brigade to fight alongside the PDPA in Afghanistan. I am not making that up. The PDPA said no thanks.

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Jul 6 2015 21:38
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Rural People's Party models itself after Jim Jones and the People's Temple. Seriously.

are they real?

No. They were the work of an internet crank.

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Jul 7 2015 04:34

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Jul 6 2015 23:54
Fnordie wrote:
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their strongholds were the closed GM plant in Baltimore and some car factories in/around Detroit

All the over-60 lefties I know reminisce about the back-to-the-factories movement. Were all the grouplets like that, with a different industry as their focus? Old CPUSA guys tell stories about fighting it out with the John Birch Society in shipyards in the 1970s.

Tankies or not, I'd love to hear those stories.

Anybody know if anarchist orgs got into the back-to-the-factories movement?

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Jul 7 2015 00:16

I've never heard of a anarchist group that moved into factories. When i was a baby anarchist in the mid-late 1970s, none of the US anarchist groups even were class oriented until ACF emerged.

Syndicalist and Syndicalistcat would be the people to ask.

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Jul 7 2015 00:25
fnbrilll wrote:
I've never heard of a anarchist group that moved into factories. When i was a baby anarchist in the mid-late 1970s, none of the US anarchist groups even were class oriented until ACF emerged.

Syndicalist and Syndicalistcat would be the people to ask.

To a certain extent, yes, there were a small number of us who believed in and practiced this.
In NYC, we called it "industrial concentration".

Overall, our numbers were so small, we were mostly laughed at by many anarchists. And looked upon with aghast by the M-L's and Trots.

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Jul 7 2015 03:53
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Tankies or not, I'd love to hear those stories.

I don't remember anything very detailed, sorry. These were a couple of old guys in a labor history class I took. They'd talk about how the John Birchers used to sit outside the shipyards entrance with shotguns and follow home union activists who were suspected communists.

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Jul 7 2015 12:27
fnbrilll wrote:
I've never heard of a anarchist group that moved into factories. When i was a baby anarchist in the mid-late 1970s, none of the US anarchist groups even were class oriented until ACF emerged.

Syndicalist and Syndicalistcat would be the people to ask.

Didn't the Chicago IWW try to concentrate in steel production?

At the Mead plant in Atlanta, where the October League helped organize a wildcat, I've been told that many of the shop-stewards at the time were in the Klan.

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Jul 7 2015 23:37

IWW Chicago tried to organize at at least one smallish machine shop They also issued an ok health and safety pamphlet for metal workers. *

I do recall one anarchist Wob critiqued the practice, when we argued for it, as being akin to Marxist-Leninism. I'm not sure if they were inChicago at the time of the iu440 concentration or still in Maine at the time if that drive

I remember the Mead wildcat, don't recall klan being stewards, but that wouldn't be shocking
either

* "A Metal Workers' Guide: Health & Safety on the Job" --- General Production Workers Organizing Committee/ I.W.W. ---- Editorial: Chicago: G.P.W.O.C./I.W.W., 1976

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Jul 8 2015 13:48

Regarding above #40 post -

Here's a partical on the IWW Metal Workers - http://libcom.org/history/iww-organising-1970s

Right quick on Mead: http://interferencearchive.org/wildcat-at-mead/
There was also a pamphlet that the OL produced (aside from press)
on the strike. I think there was also something on Mead in their pamphlet
"Communists and the Trade Unions" or something like that.

EDIT: "A Communist View: Building Class Struggle Trade Unions"
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/ol-tu/index.htm

"Interview: Mead Strike Leader"
First Published: The Call, Vol. I, No. 2, November 1972.
https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-1/ol-mead.htm

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Jul 8 2015 03:07

ahhh spark...

also of note:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_the_Revolutionary_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Revolutionaries_for_a_New_Americ...

both whom have websites hosted on earthlink.net lol...

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Jul 8 2015 03:45

damn this group is crazy interesting...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA_(Provisional)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2931700/Essential-Organizer-1973

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Jul 8 2015 05:33

The defunct Maoist International Movement (MIM)

Quote:
MIM upholds the Chinese Cultural Revolution as the farthest advance of communism in humyn history.

As Marx, Engels and Lenin formulated and MIM has reiterated through materialist analysis, imperialism extracts super-profits from the Third World and in part uses this wealth to buy off whole populations of oppressor nation so-called workers. These so-called workers bought off by imperialism form a new petty-bourgeoisie called the labor aristocracy. These classes are not the principal vehicles to advance Maoism within those countries because their standards of living depend on imperialism. At this time, imperialist super-profits create this situation in Canada, Quebec, the United $tates, England, France, Belgium, Germany, Japan, Italy, Switzerland, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Israel, Sweden and Denmark.

(Spain, Greece, Turkey, Ireland, Russia, China, Norway, Finland, Austria, Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Portugal and Monaco were spared. Quebec is apparently a country.)

They live on through their unintentionally hilarious movie reviews.

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Jul 8 2015 09:23
klas batalo wrote:
ahhh spark...

also of note:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_the_Revolutionary_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Revolutionaries_for_a_New_Americ...

both whom have websites hosted on earthlink.net lol...

LRNA isn't so nutty, they're pretty savvy for a Leninist sect. Not too long ago they operated a school for organizers which produced some of the founders of at least 2 well known workers' centers. (not naming the centers because that's a dick move)

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Jul 8 2015 13:07

The LRNA were/are "deep entry" Leninists. Over the years I knew a couple, suspected others.
I personally found them to be smart but creepy. Creepy in the sense that you knew they had an agenda and we're affiliated, but refused to show their hand so to speak. Like they were hiding something. But this goes along with creepy "deep entryism" anyway.

One of the more notable LRNA members was the respected General Baker, who came out of the DRUM movement. (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/05/detroit-s-radical-general-baker/)

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Jul 8 2015 13:12
Flint wrote:
The defunct Maoist International Movement (MIM)

dang, they took down my favorite part, which was that their mailing address was in Cambridge, MA - home to such proletarian concentrations as Harvard and MIT

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Jul 8 2015 13:37

Cambridge used to be a weird place. It had Harvard and MIT, then it had lots of factories. I know this was rapidly changing by the 1970s. I recall in the early mid-1970s there were at least two radical bookstores of note. I think one was called Red Ballon and was a general leftist one. The other was, I forget the name, but was also the home for the pro-Albanian Hoxaist Central Organization of US Marxist-Leninists (COUSML)....Nutters indeed.

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Jul 8 2015 13:53
klas batalo wrote:
ahhh spark...

also of note:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_for_the_Revolutionary_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Revolutionaries_for_a_New_Americ...

both whom have websites hosted on earthlink.net lol...

I remember the LRP well....obnoxious and sectarian. This they kept up their transit work for years (probably just a couple of folks, still...)

"Revolutionary Transit Worker (RTW)" is a bulletin for TWU Local 100
supported by the League for the Revolutionary Party (LRP)
http://www.lrp-cofi.org/TWU100/RTW/

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Jul 8 2015 14:09

Eastern Farm Workers Assn....... NY comrades (as anarchists and as wobs) had close and personal experiences with these folks in the early 1970s. I was not involved with them, but at least one currently close (and one formerly close) comrade did. The pages of the "IW" from like 1972ish-4ish should have some articles on comrades support for the EFWA activities on potato farms on Long Island, NY

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Jul 8 2015 14:12
syndicalist wrote:
The other was, I forget the name, but was also the home for the pro-Albanian Hoxaist Central Organization of US Marxist-Leninists (COUSML)....Nutters indeed.

Reminds me of visiting Vancouver in early 1980s and running into the CPC (ML) hall there. They were a pro-Albanian outfit and mainly Pakistani membership. Door was unlocked and no one was home. The really creepy thing was they managed to make the place look exactly like an Albanian/Stalin era USSR propaganda photo - including the odd, not of this world, washed out colors/hues. Huge pictures of the great leaders, especially Chairman Bains of the CPC(ML)

color example:

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Jul 8 2015 16:07
syndicalist wrote:
I think one was called Red Balloon and was a general leftist one.

Wasn't this connected to the Red Balloon Collective, but on Long Island near State University of New York at Stony Brook?

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Jul 8 2015 16:42
Hieronymous wrote:
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I think one was called Red Balloon and was a general leftist one.

Wasn't this connected to the Red Balloon Collective, but on Long Island near State University of New York at Stony Brook?

Oh yeah, I forgot about them. No they were not connected. Again, I'm going on 40 year recollections at the mo.

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Jul 9 2015 07:00
syndicalist wrote:
The LRNA were/are "deep entry" Leninists. Over the years I knew a couple, suspected others.
I personally found them to be smart but creepy. Creepy in the sense that you knew they had an agenda and we're affiliated, but refused to show their hand so to speak. Like they were hiding something. But this goes along with creepy "deep entryism" anyway.

One of the more notable LRNA members was the respected General Baker, who came out of the DRUM movement. (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/05/detroit-s-radical-general-baker/)

in one of the obituaries on General Baker last year, it was mentioned that he also had attended courses held by the Boggs ... the main issue for the CLP/LRNA was/is, to have comrades embedded in factories and communities who are trusted by the people they do work with and who can play a leading role when things evolve (either in a good or bad direction)

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Jul 9 2015 09:25

are there any contemporary groups who like the SLA?

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Jul 9 2015 12:37
Entdinglichung wrote:
in one of the obituaries on General Baker last year, it was mentioned that he also had attended courses held by the Boggs ... the main issue for the CLP/LRNA was/is, to have comrades embedded in factories and communities who are trusted by the people they do work with and who can play a leading role when things evolve (either in a good or bad direction)

Glaberman was close to them in League of Revolutionary Black Workers days. So likely Boggs.

Continuing on the creepy side of Communist Labor Party (predicessor to LRNA) was they reprinted the complete works of Lavrentiy Beria and defended him as well. I remember seeing ads for these on the front cover of their paper The Tribune in mid 1980s.

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Jul 9 2015 13:01
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are there any contemporary groups who like the SLA?

I've not seen any support. My guess is it would be found in anarchist groupings that support armed struggle, but they're not very common anymore (fortunately)

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Jul 9 2015 13:42
fnbrilll wrote:

Glaberman was close to them in League of Revolutionary Black Workers days. So likely Boggs.

Continuing on the creepy side of Communist Labor Party (predicessor to LRNA) was they reprinted the complete works of Lavrentiy Beria and defended him as well. I remember seeing ads for these on the front cover of their paper The Tribune in mid 1980s.

to my perception, they also loved Stalin and his writings more than any other major NCM org

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Jul 9 2015 16:14
fnbrilll wrote:
they reprinted the complete works of Lavrentiy Beria

wow

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Jul 9 2015 18:16

It was me involved with the potato farmers stuff, but later on (unless somebody else you are thinking of was some years earlier. Mitch Cohen was involved). Basically, the Marxists rode on the Chavez people for a while and then formed this initiative, mostly run by the Provisional Communist Party in Brooklyn. But I am happy to say that some years on some farm workers sort of broke with this and we were cooperating with them as a collective through our food coop. / The first labor thing I got involved with was with the Chavez people and at the time I thought that this project of the eastern farm workers was pretty good and it was working outside of the recognized union system, so that was the first time I saw something like that. As I got older and developed of course I thought more critically... but I don't think the labor organizing campaign is what we should criticize the PW CPUSA for.

About other organizations mentioned, yes, the one-person Albania Communist Party info center was nutty. The Sparts - they have some crazy points (ie about China) but I am lenient on them because they criticized what was happening in Poland very early on. smile

About the Red Balloon, it was basically Mitch Cohen's collective and I think the different locations might have reflected Cohen's place of residence, no? Not sure.

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Jul 9 2015 18:51

I'm alright with Mitchel Cohen/Red Balloon Collective because he took Murray Bookchin to task for the dismissing the Iroquois polity as relevant to his own project of libertarian municipalism/communalism. Listen Bookchin!

I realize I'm probably one of the few people on the planet that cares.

Another nutter, this time from Anarchyland... "Kaiser" Bill White and the Utopian Anarchist Party (UAP) (overthrow dot com). He became an explicit nazis in the NSM. Then he went to jail. Still there.