Rank the nuttiest US left sects

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syndicalist
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Jul 9 2015 18:56

"Woodstock Anarchist Party"...Red Wharton....later turned out to be a right wing biker and possibly worse

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Jul 9 2015 21:09

Wharton also became a nazi of some sort.

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Jul 9 2015 21:17
akai wrote:
Wharton also became a nazi of some sort.

They say this. Also that he was a cop
I was trying to walk lightly cause I don't have info at hand
I was plugged in WAP. I never met Red and glad I never did in some ways
Just fucked that I was fooled as a 20 year old

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Aug 1 2015 19:26
fnbrilll wrote:
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The other was, I forget the name, but was also the home for the pro-Albanian Hoxaist Central Organization of US Marxist-Leninists (COUSML)....Nutters indeed.

Reminds me of visiting Vancouver in early 1980s and running into the CPC (ML) hall there. They were a pro-Albanian outfit and mainly Pakistani membership. Door was unlocked and no one was home. The really creepy thing was they managed to make the place look exactly like an Albanian/Stalin era USSR propaganda photo - including the odd, not of this world, washed out colors/hues. Huge pictures of the great leaders, especially Chairman Bains of the CPC(ML)

color example:

I remember hearing about another group that became very pro North Korea to the point they had classes on it. Apparently they also turned the building they held this classes into a model of a North Korean school.

So apparently creating mini dictatorships was something of a fad.

Oh and there's the Communist Party USA (Marxist Leninist) that disbanded after a gunfight because the leader lost their funds in Las Vegas.

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Oct 29 2015 21:33

Perry "Red" Warthan (1942-1999), founder of the Woodstock Anarchist Party, was indeed a neo-Nazi, although he claimed to have been an anarchist for seven years. In 1982 he murdered a 17-year old member of his neo-Nazi group. It was not his first murder; when he was 14 he killed a 13-year-old and spent many years in institutions for the criminally insane. Warthan died in prison, but not before he "found Jesus".

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Aug 1 2015 21:23
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Oh and there's the Communist Party USA (Marxist Leninist) that disbanded after a gunfight because the leader lost their funds in Las Vegas.

Legend! I wanna see the movie grin

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Aug 3 2015 11:32

more of their stuff: https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/1960-1970/index.htm#cpusaml

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Aug 3 2015 14:03

he's the one joan didion wrote about

http://www.bookrags.com/studyguide-slouching-towards-bethlehem/chapanal0...

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Aug 4 2015 16:10
boozemonarchy wrote:
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Oh and there's the Communist Party USA (Marxist Leninist) that disbanded after a gunfight because the leader lost their funds in Las Vegas.

Legend! I wanna see the movie grin

Sadly after looking into it further it isn't quite what it seems. By gunfight they didn't mean a shootout by the quarter slot machines*, they meant he would get into fights with other members and then threaten them with a gun. He also had a habit of destroying type writers and threatening to set things on fire.

Shockingly they felt they'd be better off giving him the sack

Though being Maoists they denounce him as a liberal and quote Mao Ze Dong first, and relegate the `he lost all our money on roulette and waved a loaded shotgun around` for point 4 in the list of reason why he sucks.
http://marxists.anu.edu.au/history/erol/1960-1970/laskiexpulsion.htm

*Though apparently in one meeting that wasn't going his way he did fire into the air.

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Aug 5 2015 04:58
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What does degenerate mean?

http://bfy.tw/19Wl

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Aug 5 2015 13:34
Reddebrek wrote:

Sadly after looking into it further it isn't quite what it seems

Regardless, I plan on embellishing the script to the point that it starts looking like Reservoir Dogs.

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Aug 5 2015 15:46
Reddebrek wrote:
boozemonarchy wrote:
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Oh and there's the Communist Party USA (Marxist Leninist) that disbanded after a gunfight because the leader lost their funds in Las Vegas.

Legend! I wanna see the movie grin

Sadly after looking into it further it isn't quite what it seems. By gunfight they didn't mean a shootout by the quarter slot machines*, they meant he would get into fights with other members and then threaten them with a gun. He also had a habit of destroying type writers and threatening to set things on fire.

Shockingly they felt they'd be better off giving him the sack

Though being Maoists they denounce him as a liberal and quote Mao Ze Dong first, and relegate the `he lost all our money on roulette and waved a loaded shotgun around` for point 4 in the list of reason why he sucks.
http://marxists.anu.edu.au/history/erol/1960-1970/laskiexpulsion.htm

*Though apparently in one meeting that wasn't going his way he did fire into the air.

Well, I think we found the winner.

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Aug 5 2015 16:28
fnbrilll wrote:
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What does degenerate mean?

http://bfy.tw/19Wl

I don't think it's a stupid question, especially when you consider the Maoist history of regarding homosexuality as a "bourgeois deviation"

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Aug 5 2015 16:49
Fnordie wrote:
fnbrilll wrote:
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What does degenerate mean?

http://bfy.tw/19Wl

I don't think it's a stupid question, especially when you consider the Maoist history of regarding homosexuality as a "bourgeois deviation"

It's a private joke between us.

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Aug 5 2015 20:02
petey wrote:
he's the one joan didion wrote about

http://www.bookrags.com/studyguide-slouching-towards-bethlehem/chapanal0...

He was indeed, the books here, http://bookzz.org/s/?q=Slouching+Toward+Bethlehem&t=0

He also used the pseudonym Joseph Steele.

Fnordie wrote:
fnbrilll wrote:
iexist wrote:
What does degenerate mean?

http://bfy.tw/19Wl

I don't think it's a stupid question, especially when you consider the Maoist history of regarding homosexuality as a "bourgeois deviation"

Yeah I thought that was it at first but then I remembered that degenerate has been used as `academicky` way of making anything the person using it doesn't like as twisted and rotten. Base purely on inference though I think they were accusing him of having cronies or of just ignoring the parties rules and chain of command. Which seems to be the case. Which makes it even more ludicrous that they'd put that above the time he waved a shotgun in other members faces or threw gasoline all over an office.

Really there is a lot of crazy in this Rev footnote.

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Aug 5 2015 20:48
Reddebrek wrote:
petey wrote:
he's the one joan didion wrote about

http://www.bookrags.com/studyguide-slouching-towards-bethlehem/chapanal0...

He was indeed, the books here, http://bookzz.org/s/?q=Slouching+Toward+Bethlehem&t=0

thanks!!

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Nov 9 2015 10:22
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I found these hoxhaist songs on YouTube and it is the worst left music ever, here's the only one I could actually finish without ear bleed:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ntIsYYH1iA8

managed to listen to the song sad

try this:

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Nov 9 2015 10:41

or this:

makes my physically sick listening to this even without following the crappy lyrics

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Nov 17 2015 20:02
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Karetelnik--Woodstock Anarchist Party

I actually "belonged" to the WAP. I'm assuming this was during his anarchist phase. or hoping it was at least.

Note: This was mid-1970s. All pre-internet and easy ways to find out someone's past.

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Nov 18 2015 01:19

merciless as enver hoxha

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5kOZKpRmqCU

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Apr 28 2017 17:04

The Sparts used to attack the American SWP back in the day. SWP is a bit daft themselves these days come to think of it.

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Apr 28 2017 17:11

In the mid-70's I think it was there was nearly a shoot-out between the RCP and the CP (ML) in Atlanta. RCP had a tagging crew out one night in a public housing project, back when we had such things, and a resident called a friend who was a CP (ML) member to complain. CP(ML) send a carload of folks with guns to see wtf was going on. The RCP crew was packing too. Now I should mention I heard this story like third hand but from reliable sources.

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Apr 28 2017 19:38

That is fucking wild.

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Apr 28 2017 20:36
David in Atlanta wrote:
In the mid-70's I think it was there was nearly a shoot-out between the RCP and the CP (ML) in Atlanta. RCP had a tagging crew out one night in a public housing project, back when we had such things, and a resident called a friend who was a CP (ML) member to complain. CP(ML) send a carload of folks with guns to see wtf was going on. The RCP crew was packing too. Now I should mention I heard this story like third hand but from reliable sources.

according to Max Elbaum's website: https://revolutionintheair.org/chronology-part-four-1975-1980/

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March 25: According to the SCEF newspaper Southern Struggle, a shoot-out takes place on this date when members of the RCP allegedly fire on SCEF members and tenants at the Capitol Homes housing site in Atlanta. (Southern Struggle, March-April 1979)

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Apr 29 2017 18:46

Re Dave in Atlanta's post on the Sparts. Do you have a reference/s for that?
I've heard that Larouche systematically attacked the SWP (& others) in the early 1970s but never heard of the Sparts physically attacking anyone. Were they trying to teach 'Daddy' a lesson?

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Apr 29 2017 18:53

I remember stuff like this happening "frequently" enough. But not SL outright attacks on SWP. But I trust ole David's memory more than my own on this.

An example from anti-Viet Nam wars days ....

"The SWP in the NPAC Conference"....
https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/spartacist-us/1964-1971/T...

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Apr 30 2017 06:49

Against Violence within the Workers Movement (1974). Articles by Ernest Mandel, Leon Trotsky and subjects such as violence in the Anti-Vietnam War Movement by the (US) SWP

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May 1 2017 00:08

Re: Spart violence...

During the year I spent in the Bay Area, I heard about a dozen rumors or references to spart cross-sect-ional violence. About 15 years ago now...

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May 1 2017 13:31
morven wrote:
Re Dave in Atlanta's post on the Sparts. Do you have a reference/s for that?
I've heard that Larouche systematically attacked the SWP (& others) in the early 1970s but never heard of the Sparts physically attacking anyone. Were they trying to teach 'Daddy' a lesson?

I've heard that there was even an ambush by Sparts at an ISO conference ~12 years ago.

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Sep 29 2018 21:55

Found this tidbit on the RCP attempting to confront the staff of the Guardian (the Maoist one) in the 70s:

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On my first day at the Guardian office, the staff assembled for a meeting on armed struggle and overthrowing the state. Oh my god, I inwardly trembled, armed struggle. This wasn’t college games anymore, it was the real thing! Suddenly I was overcome with this sinking feeling that maybe I wasn’t cut out to be a revolutionary after all. In fact, the closest we ever came to armed combat was when an ultra-Maoist sect unimpressed by the Guardian’s revolutionary credentials sought a showdown. Leaving work one evening I noticed a grim-faced mob all wearing the trademark lumberjack boots, blue jeans and work shirts of the Revolutionary Union approach our building. I quickly rang up Fred at the front desk, who, I was later told, braced for the worst with wrench and crowbar in hand. (At the time he was eighty years old.) The RU’s plot was foiled, however, when they crowded into the elevator and it sank to the basement. It seems that they hadn’t read the bourgeois warning about maximum elevator capacity.

From Misadventures in the Class Struggle, a short autobiographical article by Norman Finkelstein.