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Mike Harman
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May 28 2019 20:45
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The EU is a godawful capitalist institution, but the leave campaign is dominated by racism and patriotism. Remaining would be a more secure option for our migrant friends and comrades, but staying means our continued involvement the EU border.

One problem here. Bringing it up because the EU border is regularly brought up by lexiters, but it's a red herring IMO. I can't find the article now, but about a year ago, May indicated continued UK contributions to policing the med (there are navy vessels there now) post-Brexit. So the UK could very well continue to contribute just as much as it does now.

On the other hand, there are all kinds of remain and soft-remain anti-immigration lines, like reforming free movement, using the 'emergency break' (which Paul Mason is a massive fan of) - existing stuff like deportations of EU migrants who are street homeless and etc.

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May 29 2019 07:03
Mike Harman wrote:
One problem here. Bringing it up because the EU border is regularly brought up by lexiters, but it's a red herring IMO. I can't find the article now, but about a year ago, May indicated continued UK contributions to policing the med (there are navy vessels there now) post-Brexit. So the UK could very well continue to contribute just as much as it does now.

Not sure it makes sense to call it a red herring - certainly May's version of Brexit would mean continued involvement in the EU border, but the whole starting point of Lexit is, rightly or wrongly, that the tory vision of Brexit isn't the only one possible. You can disagree with that, but if you grant them that starting point then it follows that an independent UK could have a different relationship to the EU border.
The EU border thing is usually a weak argument because in the case of the Embery/Glasman wing of Lexit, they're no more internationalist than May is, and for anyone who genuinely supports an internationalist/open borders Lexit, that's a bit of a fantasy position on a par with wanting to get the SPGB into power between now and October, but I don't think either of those objections apply to anarchist communists pointing out that both capitalist options are bad and involve continued repression against migrants.

Mike Harman
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May 29 2019 09:13
R Totale wrote:
The EU border thing is usually a weak argument because in the case of the Embery/Glasman wing of Lexit, they're no more internationalist than May is

Yes I should have made this explicit in the comment. The Embery/Glasman wing bring it up as whataboutism against people who criticise their shitty nationalist/anti-immigrant positions when there's no indication when it comes to it they'd reduce the UK's involvement if they were ever in a position to do so.

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Jun 11 2019 15:53

In addition to the contribution from Chris Gilligan in the video discussion referenced in the earlier post #89 well worth viewing Chris has also contributed this panel discussion text with more detail in relation to the Irish Border issue here;
www.insurgentnotes.com/2019/06/brexit-immigration-controls-and-the-borde...